Wood Green car-free plan axed - Harringay online2024-03-29T00:29:56Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/844301:Topic:68042?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A68263&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHey Rahman, I have to say I a…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683772008-10-01T20:51:37.429ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
Hey Rahman, I have to say I agree .. what a change.. eh? :o)
Hey Rahman, I have to say I agree .. what a change.. eh? :o) Wightman road is semi-residen…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683732008-10-01T20:44:39.638Zrahmanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/seymour
Wightman road is semi-residential. Its not comparable to Green Lanes which is in effect a long row of shops with flats above. There are only three or four shops on the whole of Wightman road, even though it is a pretty long stretch. people who live on Green Lanes do so accepting that it is essentially a commercial road.<br />
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I think the only problem with Wightman Road is that people who have bought there in the last thirty years would have done so knowing that there is a busy road on their…
Wightman road is semi-residential. Its not comparable to Green Lanes which is in effect a long row of shops with flats above. There are only three or four shops on the whole of Wightman road, even though it is a pretty long stretch. people who live on Green Lanes do so accepting that it is essentially a commercial road.<br />
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I think the only problem with Wightman Road is that people who have bought there in the last thirty years would have done so knowing that there is a busy road on their doorstep. Its probably difficult for the Council to accept objections by its residents to it being used as a through road. Traffic problems should have been glaringly obvious at the time of moving in. Or a green corridor overpass,…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683712008-10-01T20:43:12.306Zmatthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/mburge
Or a green corridor overpass, going right over the top of Shopping Shitty. It could be lit up to compete with the Wembley arch<br />
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Or a green corridor overpass, going right over the top of Shopping Shitty. It could be lit up to compete with the Wembley arch<br />
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<p style="text-align:left"><img src="http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres/90D60B69-72C6-4D3D-BA55-2F9BF586A825/0/IMG_0064400.jpg"/></p> I have to say, I don't buy th…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683692008-10-01T20:36:34.997ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
I have to say, I don't buy this Wightman Road thing.. OK the rung streets are 100% residential, but Wightman IMO is not residential.. It's a local connecting thoroughfare, like St Ann's or West Green Road and therefore will be used by traffic..<br />
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Of course, people live on Wightman, but they also live on Green Lanes, perhaps more so, but you can't call that residential either..
I have to say, I don't buy this Wightman Road thing.. OK the rung streets are 100% residential, but Wightman IMO is not residential.. It's a local connecting thoroughfare, like St Ann's or West Green Road and therefore will be used by traffic..<br />
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Of course, people live on Wightman, but they also live on Green Lanes, perhaps more so, but you can't call that residential either.. That's quite right Liz, Pedes…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683672008-10-01T20:28:45.035ZStephenBlnhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/IsarSteve
That's quite right Liz, Pedestrianisation alone won't make the thing work.. Don't forget, Buses will still be trundling up and down, about six routes with at least one bus every ten minutes (29 more), so around 40 - 50 buses per hour in each direction..<br />
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My point about the earlier scheme was the 'relief road'.. IMO You can't really do something like that without a relief road..
That's quite right Liz, Pedestrianisation alone won't make the thing work.. Don't forget, Buses will still be trundling up and down, about six routes with at least one bus every ten minutes (29 more), so around 40 - 50 buses per hour in each direction..<br />
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My point about the earlier scheme was the 'relief road'.. IMO You can't really do something like that without a relief road.. What people don't seem to rea…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683642008-10-01T20:21:27.391ZJohn Dhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JohnD
What people don't seem to realise is that traffic is self-limiting. I don't drive through Wood Green High Road because it's so congested, particularly since they widened the pavements. I never drive at more than 20mph down Wightman Road because you just can't. And the 20 mph limit on the ladder roads is a joke- you can't drive over the speed bumps faster than 10mph without ripping your suspension off.<br />
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We don't need more regulation and deterrence of traffic - we need more education and…
What people don't seem to realise is that traffic is self-limiting. I don't drive through Wood Green High Road because it's so congested, particularly since they widened the pavements. I never drive at more than 20mph down Wightman Road because you just can't. And the 20 mph limit on the ladder roads is a joke- you can't drive over the speed bumps faster than 10mph without ripping your suspension off.<br />
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We don't need more regulation and deterrence of traffic - we need more education and encouragement to use public transport. Didn't someone say recently that the carrot works better han the stick ? You're gonna get a 'slap' for…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683622008-10-01T20:07:16.753ZLizhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Liz
You're gonna get a 'slap' for that, yah cheeky oldie<br />
You still up for tea in my kitchen?
You're gonna get a 'slap' for that, yah cheeky oldie<br />
You still up for tea in my kitchen? I am unclear why there are so…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683602008-10-01T20:04:21.866ZLizhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Liz
I am unclear why there are some who believe that this <u>tiny part</u> of the SPD being shelved means the end of the Wood Green regeneration programme. Having a car free High Street was ONE paragraph of an overall strategy that runs over a tome far too big even for the saddos like me that read council documentation. Where were all these voices when we debated this a few months ago? Why did you not speak up? Where were your contributions to the online consultation? Where was your car free…
I am unclear why there are some who believe that this <u>tiny part</u> of the SPD being shelved means the end of the Wood Green regeneration programme. Having a car free High Street was ONE paragraph of an overall strategy that runs over a tome far too big even for the saddos like me that read council documentation. Where were all these voices when we debated this a few months ago? Why did you not speak up? Where were your contributions to the online consultation? Where was your car free petition? How can you wake up now and start shouting how wrong we are? Why did you not offer counter evidence online and at residents groups meetings that we were wrong?<br />
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Do you seriously believe that pedestrianisation would result in all the betting shops and pound shops (oh dear I use those) would disappear to be replaced with organic yoghurt shops and Fresh and Wild, McDonalds would shut up shop and be replaced with Giraffe, we'd start seeing Twiggy down at M & S?<br />
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I refer you to an earlier comment that the real reason Wood Green is on the decline is that the people who traditionally shop there have less money and they can't afford the consumer goods sold there, chasing the so called 'affluent' shopper as it says in the article is a nonsense, they will not change simply because they can <b>walk</b> from Maplins to Boots.<br />
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Also 'one swallow does not a summer make' and one car free day is <u>no evidence</u> that pedestrianisation would be a rousing success unless you are imagining that this will be how it is every day, no, when the stalls and the funny bikes have gone, it will still be Carphone Warehouse and Sainsbury's that the shoppers are left with. You talk about the credibilty of arguments but I have yet to see a case being made that proves that slabbing over the road would be the saviour of the Wood Green retailers.<br />
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Instead in this debate, those who have questioned one tiny paragraph of a strategy, have been called 'Nimbys', 'selfish', there have been suggestions of dictatorial behaviour and lack of credibility when there has been <b>not one shred of evidence</b> offered from the pro-slabbing brigade that this measure will in any way shape or form rescue the High Street apart from one day when everyone had a nice time.<br />
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As someone who spends a lot of time in the heat of kitchen and living room watching the ever increasing traffic caused by short sighted proposals, badly planned developments like the Arena with more round the corner in the shape of Tottenham Hale, the Heartlands, Finsbury park and not one suggesting that they would be car free, I find it extraordinary that people can be so naive as to believe that the council who gave us Williamson Road, can deliver a pedestrianised Wood Green without it being a huge cock up.<br />
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And if you care about a High Street, start caring about one that really is in your backyard, Green Lanes! Isobel
My concern was simply…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683582008-10-01T20:04:18.933ZAlison Phttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Alison
Isobel<br />
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My concern was simply that proper research be done before taking the massive decision to shut a major road leading into the area, and that was the basis of my comments to the consultation. Did you contribute?<br />
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I don't share your faith in the powers that be, my best justification for this being the sad and sorry mess that is the Arena shopping village. If Haringey did consult experts before that, then they didn't do a very good job did they.
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My concern was simply that proper research be done before taking the massive decision to shut a major road leading into the area, and that was the basis of my comments to the consultation. Did you contribute?<br />
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I don't share your faith in the powers that be, my best justification for this being the sad and sorry mess that is the Arena shopping village. If Haringey did consult experts before that, then they didn't do a very good job did they. Thanks John - takes one to re…tag:harringayonline.com,2008-10-01:844301:Comment:683562008-10-01T19:58:39.391ZEddie Finneganhttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_78ts00sd3vwh
Thanks John - takes one to recognise one, I guess!<br />
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Isobel, I think it may have been your absence from the kitcen in the first place that's part of your problem.
Thanks John - takes one to recognise one, I guess!<br />
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Isobel, I think it may have been your absence from the kitcen in the first place that's part of your problem.