All Discussions Tagged 'traffic' - Harringay online2024-03-29T09:03:42Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=traffic&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHakata update on Harringay traffic works leaves questionstag:harringayonline.com,2023-10-19:844301:Topic:15555992023-10-19T12:06:46.089ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Last night, in his role as Member for Climate Action, Environment and Transport, and Deputy Leader of the Council, <a href="https://new.haringey.gov.uk/council-elections/committees-meetings/council-committees/cabinet-members" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Mike Hakata</a> addressed a group of Harringay Ladder residents through the agency of the <a href="https://www.hlhs.org.uk" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Harringay Ladder Healthy Streets group</a> (HLHS). </p>
<p>After giving a very…</p>
<p>Last night, in his role as Member for Climate Action, Environment and Transport, and Deputy Leader of the Council, <a href="https://new.haringey.gov.uk/council-elections/committees-meetings/council-committees/cabinet-members" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Mike Hakata</a> addressed a group of Harringay Ladder residents through the agency of the <a href="https://www.hlhs.org.uk" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Harringay Ladder Healthy Streets group</a> (HLHS). </p>
<p>After giving a very positive review of progress to date elsewhere in the borough, Mike turned to the 'planned' projects for Green Lanes and the Ladder. He seemed quite clear on the Green Lanes part of the project and explained that this would be the fist part to happen. He said that he'd been able to get much better trader support after explaining that part of the changes would see the pavements widened to support more of a cafe culture. </p>
<p>Turning to the Ladder, things seemed much less positive. The modelling confirmed what the modelling which had been done during the bridge closure did (and subsequent experience showed) - closing Wightman Road would have "much wider impacts". The finding has sent Mike and his sub-contracted consultants back to the drawing board, apparently to find a new solution.</p>
<p>This gave me and others cause for concern last night. Previously, the talk had always been about considering Green Lanes, the Ladder and Turnpike Lane as one piece. Now that the fast-crystallising plan for Green Lanes will be implemented first, with nothing concrete on the board for the Ladder, the first concern is what will be the impact of those changes happening first on the Ladder. I asked Mike about this in the meeting and others followed up in the same vein. Mike gave answers designed to reassure, ultimately saying, "it is happening".</p>
<p>I also asked two questions about timing - was there any overall sense of timing and what would the time-gap be between the completion of Green Lanes and the start of work on the Ladder. Mike's response was:</p>
<blockquote><p>" I've got to be honest. I am nervous about coming out and saying, 'Right. This is going to happen in this time frame'......what I prefer to say is that it is under way.......What I want to see is for it to happen as quickly as possible and the phasing to happen as quickly as possible"</p>
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<p>I have to say that, given my experience over the past twenty years, I ended the evening feeling much more uncertain about whether anything much will ever happen to manage traffic on the Ladder. I'd begun the meeting with a little scepticism, but a general sense that Mike was going to see this through. He's believable and trustworthy, BUT, but (and ain't there always a 'but'); he began his piece with mention of how reality had hit home since he'd first started in his current role and how things were much tougher than he’d imagined.</p>
<p>Now I'm in a position of wondering whether that heavy dose of reality is going to kill off the Ladder project, or turn it into something toothless, something quite other than what we'd been led to believe was possible.</p>
<p>If "wider impacts" don't do for it, my fear is that the 'Ladder project' is now being somewhat gently toed into the long grass for the time being and while Mike may be, all things being equal, committed to it, timescales have already stretched. Will he be in post long enough to see it through even if he wants to be? Back in 2015, I had faith in one of Mike's predecessors, Stuart McNamara (he of the bridge closure days), but the post and the local party seemed to do for him and with him went HIS good intentions. Even if Mike would rather stay and see things through, he has already been the target of one <a href="https://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/haringey-s-progressive-traffic-boss-faces-the-chop" target="_blank" rel="noopener">wing of the local party who tried to unseat him</a>.</p>
<p>So, I'm cautious about expecting progress on this, but I'm a natural optimist. I'm not a betting man, so I won't give odds, but I do expect to see a lot of wood rubbed shiny from the touching in my trail.</p>
<p>The HLHS group have posted a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvH6-SEf_wk" target="_blank" rel="noopener">video of last night's meeting on YouTube</a> (about one hour). </p>
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<p></p> LTNs interim reviews and next stepstag:harringayonline.com,2023-07-24:844301:Topic:15461372023-07-24T15:47:25.526ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p>Surprised this hasn't been posted up here and wonder if the recent lack of posts on the LTNs means that people are getting used to them.</p>
<p>An interim review of the LTNs is here:…</p>
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<p>Surprised this hasn't been posted up here and wonder if the recent lack of posts on the LTNs means that people are getting used to them.</p>
<p>An interim review of the LTNs is here:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/documents/b29485/Item%2010%20Interim%20Review%20of%20Phase%201%20LTNs%2011th-Jul-2023%2018.30%20Cabinet.pdf?T=9">https://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/documents/b29485/Item%2010%20Interim%20Review%20of%20Phase%201%20LTNs%2011th-Jul-2023%2018.30%20Cabinet.pdf?T=9</a></p>
<p>It's nothing too surprising. Traffic way down on roads in the LTNs. Sometimes up and sometimes down on the boundary roads. Not much impact on most bus services with a bit of an increase on West Green Rd.</p>
<p>Next steps are to tweak a few things and start the 18 month Experimental Traffic Orders again (I assume so that people can make formal protests again). Main change will be to allow Blue Badge holders through all LTN boundaries rather than just the one they are based in.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/documents/g10554/Printed%20minutes%2011th-Jul-2023%2018.30%20Cabinet.pdf?T=1">https://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/documents/g10554/Printed%20minutes%2011th-Jul-2023%2018.30%20Cabinet.pdf?T=1</a></p> What are the aims of the LTN and how is change being measured?tag:harringayonline.com,2023-03-12:844301:Topic:15314322023-03-12T17:14:47.728ZCemhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Cem
<p>Are there specific aims and are the outcomes of the trial being measured?</p>
<p>If the aim is to reduce carbon emissions, how is that being measured?</p>
<p>If the aim is to reduce pollution, how is that being measured?</p>
<p>If the aim is to reduce the volume of traffic, how is that being measured? And if so, is the volume of displaced traffic being measured?</p>
<p>In all the noise of the debate about the merits or otherwise of the LTNs, I've lost sight of the objectives.</p>
<p>Are there specific aims and are the outcomes of the trial being measured?</p>
<p>If the aim is to reduce carbon emissions, how is that being measured?</p>
<p>If the aim is to reduce pollution, how is that being measured?</p>
<p>If the aim is to reduce the volume of traffic, how is that being measured? And if so, is the volume of displaced traffic being measured?</p>
<p>In all the noise of the debate about the merits or otherwise of the LTNs, I've lost sight of the objectives.</p> Feedback on St Ann's LTNtag:harringayonline.com,2023-02-11:844301:Topic:15280442023-02-11T13:49:32.728ZGordon Farcashttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GordonFarcas
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<p>I see some pros as well as the obvious cons but felt this feedback was telling.</p>
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<p>I see some pros as well as the obvious cons but felt this feedback was telling.</p>
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<p></p> St Ann’s LTN — feedback and/or objections requiredtag:harringayonline.com,2023-01-31:844301:Topic:15264882023-01-31T18:13:04.807ZDonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DonKeller
<p>The council has launched an online feedback questionnaire/website for comments and reactions to the St Ann’s LTN to date. The survey window is from today until 10 March; it’s at: stannsltn.commonplace.is</p>
<p>There is a separate e-mail address for “formal objections” to the experimental traffic order (the LTN is, at least nominally, an experiment): traffic.orders@haringey.gov.uk The deadline for objections is 22 February; anyone doing so is required to set out the specific reasons for…</p>
<p>The council has launched an online feedback questionnaire/website for comments and reactions to the St Ann’s LTN to date. The survey window is from today until 10 March; it’s at: stannsltn.commonplace.is</p>
<p>There is a separate e-mail address for “formal objections” to the experimental traffic order (the LTN is, at least nominally, an experiment): traffic.orders@haringey.gov.uk The deadline for objections is 22 February; anyone doing so is required to set out the specific reasons for their objections, according to the council flyer put through my door.</p>
<p>Sadly, my own experience of corresponding with this e-mail address last autumn is that it results in an auto-response but no dialogue or actual reply, but the council may perhaps have improved on this now that they’re publicising it more widely.</p>
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<p></p> LTN nightmarestag:harringayonline.com,2022-12-15:844301:Topic:15208202022-12-15T18:51:06.229ZFrancescohttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Francesco
<p><span>Normally a 5 minute drive, it took me an hour of mostly standstill traffic to go to Wood Green recycling centre to drop off m</span>y broken old microwave after I ordered a new one online. As a result I arrived late at work.</p>
<p>Don’t act surprised if people are going to start dumping stuff on the street instead.</p>
<p>How about the LTN permit gets granted to parking permit holders? After all it’s the rat runners that should use the main roads, not the residents!</p>
<p>please sign…</p>
<p><span>Normally a 5 minute drive, it took me an hour of mostly standstill traffic to go to Wood Green recycling centre to drop off m</span>y broken old microwave after I ordered a new one online. As a result I arrived late at work.</p>
<p>Don’t act surprised if people are going to start dumping stuff on the street instead.</p>
<p>How about the LTN permit gets granted to parking permit holders? After all it’s the rat runners that should use the main roads, not the residents!</p>
<p>please sign the petition if you agree (google it)</p>
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<p></p> North & South Harringay 'school streets' consultationstag:harringayonline.com,2022-11-22:844301:Topic:15178832022-11-22T11:20:47.830ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>Some of you may have had a letterbox drop of the consultation document but if not you can access them online:</p>
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<li><a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/ss34_and_ss35_north_harringay_school_street.pdf" rel="noopener" target="_blank">North Harringay consultation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/ss40_and_ss41_south_harringay_school_street.pdf" rel="noopener" target="_blank">South Harringay…</a></li>
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<p>Some of you may have had a letterbox drop of the consultation document but if not you can access them online:</p>
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<li><a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/ss34_and_ss35_north_harringay_school_street.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">North Harringay consultation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/ss40_and_ss41_south_harringay_school_street.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">South Harringay consultation</a></li>
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<p>Consultations run until 12 December with a decision expected in January 2023 and implementation in the spring.</p>
<p></p> LTN Protest leads to cancellation of Council Meetingtag:harringayonline.com,2022-11-22:844301:Topic:15176082022-11-22T09:55:39.343ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
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<p>The anti-LTN lobby are responding by claiming on social media that this cancellation was in bad faith and was a ploy to deny them their right to be heard. </p>
<p>I assume we'll get a better picture of what actually happened. In the meantime, the LTN issue, which has become a rather ugly, unedifying and divisive issue, bubbles on.</p>
<p>I'm…</p>
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<p>The anti-LTN lobby are responding by claiming on social media that this cancellation was in bad faith and was a ploy to deny them their right to be heard. </p>
<p>I assume we'll get a better picture of what actually happened. In the meantime, the LTN issue, which has become a rather ugly, unedifying and divisive issue, bubbles on.</p>
<p>I'm interested to get factual views on what happened - but only factual views. Can you help? I'm not interested in creating another space for rehashing the arguments.</p>
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<p></p> Full Council meeting abandonedtag:harringayonline.com,2022-11-21:844301:Topic:15176782022-11-21T20:17:12.557ZPhiliphttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PhilipFoxe
<p>According to Ediz on Twitter, councillors have abandoned the meeting and scuttled out the back door...updates welcome...</p>
<p>According to Ediz on Twitter, councillors have abandoned the meeting and scuttled out the back door...updates welcome...</p> Anti LTN Walk Tonight 5.30pmtag:harringayonline.com,2022-11-21:844301:Topic:15173202022-11-21T09:50:14.510ZDeborah Peacockhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Charlie25
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