All Discussions Tagged 'harringay name' - Harringay online2024-03-29T00:45:26Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=harringay+name&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTown Hall vs the Peopletag:harringayonline.com,2023-04-24:844301:Topic:15365302023-04-24T19:41:15.748ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I've written before (but not for a long time now) about how Hornsey Council insisted on the Haringey form of the name of our neighbourhood back at the start of the last century. Last week I came across an article published in the Hornsey Journal on 8 July 1921 that casts more light on how ingrained was the 'Haringey habit' in Hornsey town-hall culture. As the Hornsey Journal wrote,</p>
<blockquote><em>The public write "Harringay," the Town Hall form is "Haringey"</em></blockquote>
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<p>I've written before (but not for a long time now) about how Hornsey Council insisted on the Haringey form of the name of our neighbourhood back at the start of the last century. Last week I came across an article published in the Hornsey Journal on 8 July 1921 that casts more light on how ingrained was the 'Haringey habit' in Hornsey town-hall culture. As the Hornsey Journal wrote,</p>
<blockquote><em>The public write "Harringay," the Town Hall form is "Haringey"</em></blockquote>
<p>The various spellings in the Harringay Passage singage are witness to this epic struggle!</p>
<p>So, when in 1965, the council insisted on naming the new borough Haringey, they weren't so much using a spelling that differed from the one for our neighbourhood. They were naming the borough after it but pig-headedly went with their version of the spelling rather than the one favoured by the people that lived here. </p>
<p>Tottenham Council always preferred Harringay, but I guess Hornsey had the whip-hand back in 1965. </p>
<p>As to why Hornsey town hall chose the -ey variant over 100 years ago, the opinion of Sidney Madge, the father of the study of the name, may well be responsible. The same article reported his views as follows, </p>
<blockquote>Mr. Madge seems to favour the official form,.....(he) says that " Har- " is preferable to "Harr- " because older, and " -ey" to " -ay" because older, purer, and more frequently employed.</blockquote>
<p>I'm sure I wouldn't quibble with Mr. Madge were the issue a matter of choosing a variant of the name Hornsey, but our neighbourhood was as good as christened with the name Harringay back in 1790 by Edward Gray. It's not the same place as Hornsey (parish, borough or neighbourhood). For my money, we should just stick with it.</p>
<p>So, the choice is yours. Are you naturally a town hall follower or do you favour the voice of the people?</p>
<p></p> Aldi relent and rebrand their Harringay store from 'Aldi Haringey' to 'Aldi Harringay'tag:harringayonline.com,2021-10-21:844301:Topic:14581742021-10-21T08:10:12.118ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Back in July this year I noticed that Aldi seemed to be planning to open their new Harringay store as <em>Aldi Haringey</em>. I dropped them a quick note on Twitter and got the standard response back that it would be looked into. I didn't really think any more about it.</p>
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<p>Then a couple of weeks ago, Harringay local Nigel Lupton noticed…</p>
<p>Back in July this year I noticed that Aldi seemed to be planning to open their new Harringay store as <em>Aldi Haringey</em>. I dropped them a quick note on Twitter and got the standard response back that it would be looked into. I didn't really think any more about it.</p>
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<p>Then a couple of weeks ago, Harringay local Nigel Lupton noticed that Aldi were still planning on opening as <em>Aldi Haringey</em>, despite the store being in Harringay and being their second store in Haringey.</p>
<p>In the past few days two other local tweeters also contacted Aldi on Twitter to mention the same error.</p>
<p>Yesterday, we noticed that both the signage and the website have changed and the branding now shows as <em>Aldi Harringay</em>. That was either quick work, or they had the change in the pipeline. Either way, thank you Aldi.</p>
<p>Perhaps we can now persuade McDonalds to make the same correction.</p>
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<p></p> Hot off the press: Boundary Commission Reports: the Ladder is securedtag:harringayonline.com,2019-12-17:844301:Topic:12088792019-12-17T13:17:17.435ZDavid Schmitzhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DavidSchmitz
<p>The Boundary Commission has now published the new ward boundaries for Haringey, and to what I am sure will lead to wild rejoicing, the Harringay Ladder will remain intact.</p>
<p>Haringey results summary attached.</p>
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<p>The Boundary Commission has now published the new ward boundaries for Haringey, and to what I am sure will lead to wild rejoicing, the Harringay Ladder will remain intact.</p>
<p>Haringey results summary attached.</p>
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<p></p> Good Response to Local Boundary Commission Proposals - Initial Proposals Probably Killed Offtag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-17:844301:Topic:11878802019-08-17T14:01:53.030ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I'm very pleased to be able to report a good response to the <a href="https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/significant-changes-proposed-for-harringay-in-local-boundaries-re?id=844301%3ATopic%3A1170952&page=6#comments" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Local Boundary Commissions proposals</a> to reorganise local ward boundaries in Harringay. </p>
<p>There were a total of 258 responses from residents for the whole of Haringey Borough. It is gratifying to see that the majority of those…</p>
<p>I'm very pleased to be able to report a good response to the <a href="https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/significant-changes-proposed-for-harringay-in-local-boundaries-re?id=844301%3ATopic%3A1170952&page=6#comments" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Local Boundary Commissions proposals</a> to reorganise local ward boundaries in Harringay. </p>
<p>There were a total of 258 responses from residents for the whole of Haringey Borough. It is gratifying to see that the majority of those concerned Harringay (mostly referring to the loss of Harringay ward). The breakdown was as follows. </p>
<p>Harringay - 164 (64%)</p>
<p>Alexandra Ward - 51 (20%)</p>
<p>Others - 43 (16%)</p>
<p>Only a small handful (5 or 6), supported the proposals for Harringay. Most objected to both name and boundary changes; a few objected to the names changes only.</p>
<p>It seems like local communication channels of all sorts have helped to alert people to the issue and for a good number to make a response.</p>
<p>Of equal, if not greater, significance was the volte-face by Haringey Labour. From proposing the new arrangements splitting Harringay between "<em>Ducketts</em>" and "<em>Manor House</em>" wards, they have have made a new submission which appears to mirror exactly what the Lib Dems and yours truly proposed in the first round, that is essentially a ward for West Harringay (the Ladder) and one for East Harringay, (Woodlands Park, The Gardens and the Hermitage/Warehouse area).</p>
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<p>Ii their submission, the Labour party explained:</p>
<blockquote>Having listened, there appears to be clear objections about the boundaries of Hornsey, Manor House and Ducketts wards. With this in mind, the group has drawn up alternative proposals to make changes to these respective boundaries, which are outlined below. This focusses on the boundaries Duckett’s and Manor House wards to the east, where we propose a restoration of a ‘Harringay’ ward, which encapsulates the whole of the Haringey Ladder.</blockquote>
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<p>They propose retaining the names of Harringay and St Ann's within the new boundaries (even if they can't spell Harringay Ladder.....and even though St Ann's Church will now be outside the proposed East Harringay ward!).</p>
<p>Each one of our three councillors also made a submission opposing the changes and arguing in favour of retaining Harringay Ward. So thank you to them.</p>
<p>So, it now seems very unlikely that the initial proposals for Harringay will go through. It does seem possible that the whole of Harringay will now be contained within two wards. The new boundaries would be a great result. </p>
<p>You can see the full set of submissions at <a href="http://www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/greater-london/greater-london/haringey" target="_blank" rel="noopener">www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/greater-london/greater-london/haringey</a>.</p>
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<p></p> Significant Changes Proposed for Harringay in Local Boundaries Review - HAVE YOUR SAYtag:harringayonline.com,2019-05-28:844301:Topic:11709522019-05-28T10:22:21.310ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>The Local Government Boundaries Commission (LGBC) has proposed significant changes to the ward boundaries for Harringay. </p>
<p>Currently parts of Harringay are contained within three wards, Harringay, St Ann's and Seven Sisters.</p>
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<p>The Local Government Boundaries Commission (LGBC) has proposed significant changes to the ward boundaries for Harringay. </p>
<p>Currently parts of Harringay are contained within three wards, Harringay, St Ann's and Seven Sisters.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2697814436?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2697814436?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><em>The polling districts map included in Haringey's submission. Harringay Ward is comprised of the 4 'HA' dsitricts, St Anns, of the 4 'ST' ones and Seven Sisters of the 'SS' ones. The full map is <a href="http://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/lgbce/Reviews/Greater%20London/Haringey/Warding/Polling%20Districts%20Map%20(003).pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">online here</a>.</em></span></p>
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<p>The recently tabled proposals would see the number of Harringay wards reduced by one. Two completely new wards would be created, dividing Harringay into North and south with some non-Harringay adjuncts on the eastern borders. The precise location of the north south divide is unclear at the moment. According to the map in the report (attached below), it would be along the garden fence line between Allison and Hewitt. According to <a href="http://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/lgbce/Reviews/Greater%20London/Haringey/Draft%20Recs/Haringey_D_SO.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">the online map</a>, it would be between Seymour and Warham Roads. (I'll drop a note to the responsible office and check which is correct).</p>
<p>The proposals also see the namer Harringay wiped from the local government map for the first time in 130 years. The northern ward would be Ducketts and the southern one Manor House.</p>
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<p>The LGBC gives the following explanation for the mounting of the review:</p>
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<blockquote><p>An electoral review examines and proposes new electoral arrangements for a local authority. A local authority’s electoral arrangements decide:</p>
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<li>How many councillors are needed.</li>
<li>How many wards or electoral divisions there should be, where their <span>boundaries are and what they should be called.</span></li>
<li>How many councillors should represent each ward or division.</li>
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<p>When carrying out an electoral review the Commission has three main considerations:</p>
<p>Improving electoral equality by equalising the number of electors that each councillor represents.</p>
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<li>Ensuring that the recommendations reflect community identity.</li>
<li>Providing arrangements that support effective and convenient local government.</li>
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<p>Our task is to strike the best balance between these three considerations when making our recommendations.</p>
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<p>The review process started last year. A consultation which ran from the end of November to the start of February invited views on the future. Only 11 submissions were received (including one from yours truly):</p>
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<li><span>Haringey Council</span></li>
<li><span>Haringey Council </span><span>Political Groups</span><ul>
<li><span>Haringey Labour Party</span></li>
<li><span>Haringey Liberal Democrats</span></li>
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<li><span>Local Organisations</span><ul>
<li><span>Crouch End Neighbourhood Forum</span><span>Local Residents</span></li>
<li><span>Six local residents</span></li>
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<li><span>Anonymous</span></li>
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<li><span>One submission</span></li>
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<p>This was a predictably very low submission rate. This gives the Council's view undue weight. And, according to the Commission's report it sounds like this is just what happened they've been heavily influenced by the Council's submission, including the removal of the Harringay name from the local electoral map. In the west the Crouch End Forum submission provided an influential counter-weight to the Council. Sadly no organisation made a submission from Harringay.</p>
<p>My view on the proposals is that they do have some merit. The previous set-up used Green Lanes as the dividing line and included parts of areas to the east of Harringay that have little identity or practical unity with our area. My own submission focussed on this aspect.</p>
<p>It is positive that Harringay is now only divided into two wards. The boundaries aren't perfect, but they aren't wholly wrong either. However, I'm unsure about the wisdom of dividing the Ladder in two.</p>
<p>There is <strong>now a further consultation period</strong> where you can have your say on the proposals. If you do intend to comment (and improve on the 0.003% resident response rate last time), I think it might be helpful if comments relate back to the LGBC's intended objectives, as stated above:</p>
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<li>Ensuring that the recommendations reflect community identity.</li>
<li>Providing arrangements that support effective and convenient local government.</li>
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<p>The full and summary reports are attached below. <strong>The consultation runs until 5th August</strong>. You can add your comments <a href="https://consultation.lgbce.org.uk/have-your-say/15479?bbox=528090.3,187148.2,534468.7,191549.8" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>.</p>
<p>I'll certainly be objecting to the name for the southern part. It seems daft to use a name for an area that's in Hackney! I can't think why the Council are STILL trying to shed the Harringay name. I'm not sure yet whether I'll comment again on the boundaries themselves: the problem here is that any suggestions made to any one boundary will need to be compensated for somewhere else. So it becomes very tricky.</p>
<p>I would urge you to have a say.</p>
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<p></p> Harringay on mid-18th century maptag:harringayonline.com,2015-11-23:844301:Topic:8140352015-11-23T11:36:54.404ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
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<p>This is a new one on me. This c1750* map is by far the earliest cartographic mention I've seen made of Harringay. It's true that the mapper opted for a spelling with a single 'r' as opposed to the version we use today. It's also the case that it refers to the wider Hornsey area that encompassed the 'Ladder land' as well as present day Hornsey, but it's still a…</p>
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<p>This is a new one on me. This c1750* map is by far the earliest cartographic mention I've seen made of Harringay. It's true that the mapper opted for a spelling with a single 'r' as opposed to the version we use today. It's also the case that it refers to the wider Hornsey area that encompassed the 'Ladder land' as well as present day Hornsey, but it's still a fascinating link in the chain of our <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/page/harringay-vs-haringey-vs-harringaygreenlanes" target="_blank" rel="noopener">neighbourhood's direct line back</a> to Saxon chieftan Haering. (Both variants stem from Haerings-hege (pronounced Harings-hey) meaning Haering's enclosure)</p>
<p>Up till now I'd thought that by the eighteenth century, for most purposes the Har(r)ingay derivation had fallen into disuse in favour of the Hornsey one in all but manorial records, where it dominated. However this map offers an alternative perspective. It suggests that perhaps "Harringay" had survived in local parlance as well as the manorial one. It might suggest that when Edward Gray built Harringay House not much more that a half century after this map was published, his adoption of "Harringay" was less a revival, as has been claimed, and more of an adoption of a still living word.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 8pt;">* The map was originally listed on the Government Art Collection website as dating to 1723. That is no longer the case and I have assumed that this constitutes a correction which I have reflected above. </span></p> The power of place brandingtag:harringayonline.com,2014-04-24:844301:Topic:6165932014-04-24T13:47:52.025ZLizhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Liz
<p>Reading an interesting article, with examples from the UK and the US, about how place branding by communities can have a positive impact including: attracting and retaining talent; shifting negative perceptions; supporting economic recovery; stimulating demand, and strengthening civic pride. </p>
<p>Read the article yourself <a href="http://www.communitymatters.org/blog/what%E2%80%99s-name-power-community-branding" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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<p>Reading an interesting article, with examples from the UK and the US, about how place branding by communities can have a positive impact including: attracting and retaining talent; shifting negative perceptions; supporting economic recovery; stimulating demand, and strengthening civic pride. </p>
<p>Read the article yourself <a href="http://www.communitymatters.org/blog/what%E2%80%99s-name-power-community-branding" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p></p> More Green Lanes Confusiontag:harringayonline.com,2013-03-26:844301:Topic:4734232013-03-26T15:09:33.327ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>On my social media monitoring tool, I have one column set up to pick up all mentions of Green Lanes. Since Green Lanes is a generic term as well as a place name for a whole heap of places, the column is pretty global in its scope picking up mentions of Green Lanes around the world, around the UK in North London and even our neighbourhood.</p>
<p>Today I picked up on a conversation on Twitter that got increasingly heated. It seems to be just another example of the confusion caused just…</p>
<p>On my social media monitoring tool, I have one column set up to pick up all mentions of Green Lanes. Since Green Lanes is a generic term as well as a place name for a whole heap of places, the column is pretty global in its scope picking up mentions of Green Lanes around the world, around the UK in North London and even our neighbourhood.</p>
<p>Today I picked up on a conversation on Twitter that got increasingly heated. It seems to be just another example of the confusion caused just locally by the use of 'Green Lanes'. No one can blame these interlocutors for their confusion. The fault isn't theirs. The situation IS confusing. One reason, I just stick with Harringay.</p>
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<p>An article from GOOD suggests that while a powerful brand identity isn't a cure all for a neighbourhood's problems, there's evidence that it <span>can be a powerful symbol and rallying cry that galvanizes people to action.</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span><span>How can we use the power of branding to strengthen a shared identity and spark positive change in the neighborhoods and cities where we live? An effective visual identity references the culture and history of a place’s people and…</span></span></p>
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<p>An article from GOOD suggests that while a powerful brand identity isn't a cure all for a neighbourhood's problems, there's evidence that it <span>can be a powerful symbol and rallying cry that galvanizes people to action.</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span><span>How can we use the power of branding to strengthen a shared identity and spark positive change in the neighborhoods and cities where we live? An effective visual identity references the culture and history of a place’s people and reflects their hopes and aspirations.</span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span class="font-size-4"><strong><a href="http://www.good.is/posts/the-power-of-a-brand-to-transform-a-city" target="_blank">READ MORE</a></strong></span></p>
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<p>Just noticed that this is what my local station is marked as on Google Maps...</p>
<p>Just noticed that this is what my local station is marked as on Google Maps...</p>