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Pat - the congestion between the Salisbury and Manor House caused increased journey times of a couple of minutes:

Weekdays from Wood Green to Manor House was similar as I've already posted here.

I think those few minutes would be significantly mitigated by some of the measures already proposed in the plans - improving junctions, relocating bustops etc. Reviewing parking and loading (or even properly enforcing the current restrictions) would also help.

It's also interesting to look at east-west journeys - buses towards Muswell Hill were again a few minutes slower, but coming back actually a few minutes faster:

The most affected journey seems to be Crouch End to Turnpike Lane - but in the opposite direction not much difference:

As I've said in other posts, that eastbound traffic from Crouch End was badly affected by the lack of adjustments to traffic light phases at the Turnpike Lane junctions with Green Lanes, Wightman Road and Church Lane - fixing those traffic light transitions would be the main mitigation, but again reviewing parking and loading and if possible the busstop location on Turnpike Lane would also help significantly.

The other thing that would help significantly is if opponents of Wightman filtering would stop trotting out the same canards (or hyperbole as you said on another post) about "chaos", "traffic hell", "like a car park" etc. Yes there was significant disruption for the first few weeks of the bridgeworks and continued inconvenience and unreliable journey times but they improved over the months and there is certainly plenty of scope for further mitigation. Filtering Wightman Road plus mitigations would not only rectify a significant injustice against Wightman Road residents but actually benefit the whole local community on both sides of Green Lanes and much further afield. 

If haringey gave one year notice to ban parking for private cars, it could start a precedent for the whole of London and hugely reduce local congestion.

We need to think big, London is killing and not so slowly.

Let's rethink the spaces we give for private vehicle to just sit there, its prime community real estate. Not to forget the air going in our lungs.

Then to stop the rest of London rat running we should toll booth the hell out of ALL our roads. A special tax to enter Haringey with a vehicle.
Essentiallly, you are saying that all private car ownership should be banned?
Yes, absolutely no need for private vehicles in London. Can you give me one reason why anyone can't survive without one ? What next private drones?

I don't mind people taking advantage of a stupid system but it is stupid.

Giving up your car ... great idea Neil. Did this a year ago and I feel so free without it! No real need for it. Free of all those bills, charges & fees and best of all, don't spend time dealing with car related issues or even have to think about it :)

I've never felt the need for a car in London - and I commute to Hertfordshire and back every day. And funnily enough I'm fitter than most people without knowingly making an effort.

Always amuses me how whenever I ask friends for tips on visiting a particular foreign location, they will get about 3 sentences in before saying 'of course, as you don't drive you won't be able to see half of it and actually are you sure you want to be bothered going'? We always do bother going, and (perhaps with the exception of LA) being car-less has NEVER posed a problem.

It's one of those things people think they can't do without because they've never tried (disabilities excepting of course).

Try it.

And you never need to be short of a mobile phone

I need a car for work! Would love to not have to drive but my job requires me to!

Can you give me one reason why anyone can't survive without one

Yes I can, not everyone is lucky enough to be abled bodied, some people rely on their vehicles because of disability. My partner is a blue badge holder, can probably manage about 15 metres. She attends Hospitals further north and in central London about 4 or 5 times a month minimum. Basically what you are saying is I can walk, ride a bike, catch the bus and have no need for a personal vehicle and everybody else must have the same requirements and dependancies that I have. Simply not true and quite selfish.

Godfrey, I have every sympathy with this. My father-in-law had dialysis three days a week, for some reason only known to the NHS he was the first to be picked up by the hospital transport and the last to be dropped off so often spent well over two hours travelling each day. His wife doesn't drive but a couple of times I was able to offer him a lift and I know that it was a huge relief for him on those few days to be in a car with a family member.

However I still support filtering Wightman since (a) most of the 114,000 vehicles per week on Wightman (or on Green Lanes for that matter) are not blue-badge carriers on the way to hospital (many of them could cycle or walk or use public transport, and ALL of them could use the intended A-roads) and (b) I believe that the benefits of filtering Wightman far outweigh any extra journey times for road users (particularly since, unlike during the 2016 bridgeworks, filtering this time will be accompanied by mitigation measures to reduce the disruption).

There is another answer to the "selfishness" accusation on the LW website here.

I think the authorities are starting to recognise the problem. The road infrastructure is overloaded and building new roads just induces more traffic. Public transport is also at capacity and building new infrastructure - like crossrail or trams - takes decades. Meanwhile London's population is still growing and by the time any of that is built it will already be overloaded.

There has to be a huge shift to walking and cycling to make it work. Haringey has invested in cycling proficiency training and bicycle repair courses but I'm afraid most of that money will be wasted unless the cycling infrastructure is made safer and more attractive. I don't downplay the inconvenience it might cause at first, or the political difficulty in implementing it (pretty sure we'll be seeing a Baroness Ahmet of Harringhay Park if she pulls this off!), but schemes like filtering Wightman Road  are really the only way forward - and because filtering Wightman is basically a road layout change it's probably also one of the cheapest solutions to the problem.

I'd like to see a clamp down too Neil!

My friends daughter and another girl got knocked over last year by a crazy driver doing exactly what you describe in your second paragraph. The girls were waiting at a pedestrian crossing and the driver was weaving in and out of the bus lane, lost control and ploughed into them. They were very lucky to survive and even luckier that neither had any life changing injuries.

I regularly get beeped and gesticulated at for sticking to the speed limits, and for daring to slow down to safely turn off St Ann's Road into my road.

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