Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Really P****d Off
I hope all you who have the vote in Harringay will remember tonight ( and certainly other nights to come ) and at the next election vote out the incompetent shower responsible for the introduction of the LTN.
My weekly 5-minute journey from Wightman Road to Green Lanes took 45 minutes, including 30 minutes to go the length of Hampden Road. Yes, I know that there was a burst water main. But in happier times traffic would have been distributed across the roads now blocked off and not confined to Green Lanes. Yes, I know that I could have taken a bus to sit in the same traffic jam as I did this evening but in any case there aren't any buses between my house and the bottom of Effingham Road.
I understand the concerns of those residents living in the LTN who hope that the pollution in their streets will be reduced but don't the residents of Green Lanes, Turnpike Lane and Wightman Road breathe ? don't their children have lungs ?. Where did the Council think the LTN traffic would go ?
And please don't suggest to this disabled person that I could have cycled. I couldn't.
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Permalink Reply by Elizabeth M on
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1 Sainsbury's delivery van with 10 people's "big shop" (or even 5) is better than 10 separate cars going to Sainsbury's. More online deliveries could go to cargo bike out at least electric for local deliveries but then people object to local delivery depots (see the one in Tufnell Park).
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I'm saying have you seen bikes, e-bikes or motorbikes lined up, 1 behind the other, causing congestion? No. That's what cars do that take up the entire lane. By design, alternative forms of transport reduce congestion. bikes, e-bikes and motorbikes must legally comply to the same road laws. So yes, they wait at the front of the traffic queue for the light to change. In a row, normally, not one behind the other, causing congestion.
It is the simplest point in this discussion.
Sure people can buy less online, but with the comments here about driving, I can only imagine what would happen if anyone tried to impose limits to online consumption on someone. Doesn't seem feasible. Sure cutting down on vans is important but to what Elizabeth says, efficient delivery of goods is better than an individual trip. Also, cargo bikes should definitely be encouraged. I don't see them often around Haringay, but more in central parts of the city.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Delivery from supermarkets can have a role in reducing road traffic. If a single van delivers to say 20 households that is a potential saving of 20 car journeys.
I’ve just come back from Sainsburys and while I was walking to and from it on Williamson Road I kept an eye on the cars coming and going. I spotted 28 cars overall and only two of them had more than one passenger.
Personally I use a shopping trolley.
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I must agree with John D that we on Wightman Road also breathe or try to. However, if John were to be tempted to follow Caraj's advice to invest in a Mobility Scooter and take to speeding along our pavements/footways/pedestrian thoroughfares, I promise to immobilise John and scooter first time I meet them.
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I thought not, John.
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I find it so disheartening people aren't prepared to give the LTN longer to bed in before deciding it's a disaster. It's only been a couple of weeks!
What's actually a disaster is our planet's climate reaching the point of no return. But hey, we'll tell the future generations of Haringey we gave it our best shot, eh? We tell them that we did introduce this scheme to try to lower levels of traffic and pollution but because people were either too lazy to walk around the borough to get places or, if they absolutely had to drive for work or health reasons, simply weren't prepared to accept longer journeys in the short term while the scheme bedded in, we gave up. So it's on them now to fix things. Oh, except it's too late now. Soz.
Honestly, the inward looking and selfish attitudes on all the LTN threads make me despair. The council hasn't introduced the LTN for giggles, it's to make a difference. You might not like it now and you might never like it, but can't you at least give it a chance, for our children's sake, for their children's sake? And before anyone leaps on and says it needs a more joined up scheme across London to be effective – well yes, of course it does. But baby steps could lead to giant steps and we've got to start somewhere.
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Wish there was a big like button for MLD's post.
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The problem is not LTNs as such. In some places they have worked. The problem is at the top. The government slyly funded the LTNs but only if they were imposed by a certain time and with conditions. Some local authorities refused the blackmail. Others imposed them without proper consultation and without properly accessing the impact. Don't be taken in by the idea that the people who are opposed to them are all climate change denying Jeremy Clarksons; quite the opposite. You seem to believe that if we simply wait, they will 'bed in'.
Whatever that means. Kindly explain to me the benefits of LTNs that make people sit in traffic jams, force people to make hugely extended journeys, delay public transport and choke with fumes the people living on main roads. There is no benefit to these ill planned LTNs. Do you really think people are going to abandon their cars? Do you think they drive for fun? Only central government can make the changes needed to reduce carvusage and they don't show the slightest sign of doing so.
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If we were talking six months of traffic jams and extended journeys, I could see your point that the benefits seem lacking. But it's been a couple of weeks! Opponents cannot possibly decide in such a short space of time that the LTN isn't worth having.
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Do you really think people are going to abandon their cars? Do you think they drive for fun?
I'd say the answer to both of these questions is yes.
Putting together some of the stats certainly suggests this
Six in ten car trips are made for shopping, leisure and personal business purposes and a fifth for work purposes. A third of car trips are shorter than 2km.
There are more car journeys on Saturdays and Sunday than during the week
Around six in ten car driver trips are made alone, without any passengers, a quarter include one passenger and the remainder have two or more passengers.
Those kind of stats suggest to me that there is a lot of scope to reduce car usage.
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